I really don't like G4, but Adam Sessler makes a damn good point in one of his Sessler Soapboxs. And sadly, it's all so very true. It's one we are all most aware of and why we are here.
I remember the days of yore in which he speaks. Just jumping into a match and actually having fun with the general public without all the douche bags fouling shit up.
Good video and good points he has made. As I was looking for the place to post comments, I was reading a few of them along the way. Here are a couple that stood out to me:
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Just who gets to decide what is ok and what isn't? Racist and homophobic comments are bad but sexism is ok? People now use the phrase 'the N-word' (and even whisper that) but use 'bitch' like it's 2-cent gum. Adam can use 's---' and 'f------ Neanderthal' on his soapbox, but what about the people that offends? I disagree, Adam. Social spheres (like XBL) are self-regulated. If you don't like it, don't go there. My young son and I used to watch every episode of X-Play until I decided that you had gotten a little too crude for us. You're still on the air and people love the show - just not my son and I.
If it doesn t already, XBL should allow offensive players to be booted from designated 'safe' areas. You can boot people who make homophobic remarks and I can boot people who say s---. If I end up playing by myself, maybe then I ll rethink my social standards. And maybe the 10-year old you heard will choose his words more carefully when he has no one willing to play with him.
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I agree 100% with you Adam but you DO realize the network you're employed by basks in, encourages and banks on exactly this type of lowest common denominator stupidity right? I mean you work for G4. You're part of the problem, or hadn't you noticed? Try watching some of the other programming on your network and it's various advertisements...
I think both of these posters make really good points. This certainly doesn't imply that I think the lack of parental influence plays no part of this, because it absolutely does. But, if the media wants to cry foul, then it must take responsibility for its own shortcomings.
I don't think he's so much a hypocrite on a personal level, but G4 as a whole is when viewed from this type of context. Adam Sessler is probably one of the few people at G4 that actually knows a shit-ton about gaming, yet he's still on there. Why? It's a job. It's what brings in the money for him. Do I care for the show and/or station that he's on? Hell no, but he's there to make a paycheck.
I'd love to see Adam have his own show on a different network, or possibly go the way of Chris Pirillo, formerly of Call For Help on TechTV, and have his own website/video cast type of thing. As it stands now, Adam is being held back by a channel that knows nothing about what gamers want.
But yeah, the video is completely true. I hope gaming won't fall into that stereotype, but I don't see that changing unless the general community wants to change their attitude. All I have to say to that is: good luck. That's why I live by my friends list, when my 360 is alive that is.
I don't think he's so much a hypocrite on a personal level...
I don't know Sessler on a personal level so I didn't mean to imply that he's personally a hypocrite. I was thinking totally in the same vein. I guess I wasn't very clear. I just think G4 promotes all things trashy and classless in general, so it puts him in a little bit of a tough spot complaining about seeing/hearing it on XBL. You're dead on.
As much as the Sessler vs G4 Network may seem to be hypocritical, I think it's missing the point of the video. It's one thing to talk about G4TV and the content. The main point was about online gaming behavior of the general public, especially compared to what it use to be.
We all agree with him since most of us, rarely or, never game with the general public for various reasons including foul banter the GP insists on using. And the question then becomes, if it continues, when will that become the new or additional stereotyped image of gamers?
To me, what is the point if all the rude comments? It's one thing to say between people who actually know each other and it is their way of joking around with each other. But when it's to someone he/she doesn't know, does it maintain jestness?
Of course, Sessler is just being a ghey, cheap, pwn'd noob. LOL.
To me, the poor behavior of gamers towards each other is, more than I like admit, the ignorance or dumbing of the general public of America. I know working at the pizzeria, I get to deal with varied amount of the general public, and I get to deal with a ton of non-English speaking, but English speaking people (some like to call it ebonics), ignorant, and outright rude people. I won't even go into don't pay attention to nothing but themselves either.
But yeah, the video is completely true. I hope gaming won't fall into that stereotype, but I don't see that changing unless the general community wants to change their attitude. All I have to say to that is: good luck. That's why I live by my friends list, when my 360 is alive that is.
Unfortunately it already has, and it's not restricted to just racist & homophobic morons: my niece got a 360 for X-mas last year, yet she'll never be allowed to play on XBL (even if it's just to game with myself, my son, and my wife) - my sister-in-law has heard too many negative things about online gaming and refuses to let her daughter be subject to it!
And she knows nothing about online gaming - just what she's 'heard' from others.
I have serious reservations about the GP ever "getting it." It's so true imo about these palookas using the words & phrases because they think it makes them look cool. The only way to change the playground where we play is to actually get MS to start enforcing it's own damn rules.
That was interesting. I don't get G4. I am horrendous at shooters so I don't dabble in Halo, but I've heard some appalling things just in arcade titles like UNO. Why anyone would need to be such a jerk in a card game is beyond me. It always happen that my wireless mic will go out while someone is saying something offensive and I scramble to turn down the TV volume so no one else can hear it.
What more can microsoft do though? You do have the feedback option in the dashboard for every gamertag, does that work?
I dunno - maybe what they need to do is implement some game recording doohickey that'll auto-erase if nobody complains but is automatically sent to some server (or billions of them) if there's a certain type of complaint sent; let it be known that filing a false complaint will also get you banned.
Just a thought, and yeah, I know the resources needed could be crazy - but we're not talking about a small start-up company: one dollar per every XBL participant would easily pay for it.
Why anyone would need to be such a jerk in a card game is beyond me. You do have the feedback option in the dashboard for every gamertag, does that work?
To answer the first question, everyone has one game where they could be a jerk in, me it is RPGs. Sore losers comes in three forms, losers, lamers (People who team-kill, talk like they are gods in the game, cheat codes cheaters, or spawn camping), or just people with too much time in their hands and spend it cursing people out to see if you respond. Do not fall to these traps, they are the ones who fill out negative reports on you. And the second question answer is yes, it does not get them banned right away... It do keep that player from harassing/playing with you in another game.
I dunno - maybe what they need to do is implement some game recording doohickey that'll auto-erase if nobody complains but is automatically sent to some server (or billions of them) if there's a certain type of complaint sent; let it be known that filing a false complaint will also get you banned.
That's a great idea actually. It wouldn't take up bandwith because it would be deleted if no one reports it, and if they do, it's automatically emailed from the server to a box that monitors hate speech and general dickheadedness.
Just who gets to decide what is ok and what isn't? Racist and homophobic comments are bad but sexism is ok? People now use the phrase 'the N-word' (and even whisper that) but use 'bitch' like it's 2-cent gum. Adam can use 's---' and 'f------ Neanderthal' on his soapbox, but what about the people that offends? I disagree, Adam. Social spheres (like XBL) are self-regulated. If you don't like it, don't go there. My young son and I used to watch every episode of X-Play until I decided that you had gotten a little too crude for us. You're still on the air and people love the show - just not my son and I.
If it doesn t already, XBL should allow offensive players to be booted from designated 'safe' areas. You can boot people who make homophobic remarks and I can boot people who say s---. If I end up playing by myself, maybe then I ll rethink my social standards. And maybe the 10-year old you heard will choose his words more carefully when he has no one willing to play with him.
Too crude on TV?
Yes, Obviously your son doesnt tell you what he hears on XBL or you probably wont let him play online anymore. You want to boot someone who says "Shit"?
For the love of humanity, i dont even know why shit is a bad word, its a word to descride the smelly waste that comes out your ass. I wonder why calling someone a penis doesnt sound as bad as being called a pussy. Is that Sexism or what?
there is no way to stop the people on XBL who are always shouting/spaming the mic...oh wait, I found PGL, Ver' nice. NEXT PROBLEM!
Team Killing, and I aint running in front of their fire either.
I don't necessarily think it's the language that's the issue, but the way it's used: XBL seems to have become more about insulting others in vile ways than having a good game and just chilling out.
As for people & poor sportsmanship, that's just people being frustrated at sucking.
By the way, that's a very crude & descriptive explanation of what shit is - that should be in the dictionary!
Excellent points, Zoom. On one hand, he's absolutely right... on the other, he's a total hypocrite.
