R6V2 war?

[Quo]

I'll try to keep this short so you don't get bored.

If you don't want to read a post, don't read it. If you don't want to be in a site war, don't play.

Since we're sharing opinions, here's mine: It's ridiculous for people who have had very limited involvement in "wars" or any events at a site to blather on about how boring or overly complicated they are. If you don't like it, you don't have to be involved. Why would you think anyone cares what you think about it if you're not going to play anyway?

[namehater]

id like to participate, if the rules are to difficult to follow ill just shoot the other team as a default plan...

put me on the list quo, i want a drinking team tho

[Causedawg 83]

I'll get serious for a moment, since apparently y'all already have.

My post about y'alls conversation putting me asleep was meant to be taken lightly, as a joke, and NOTHING more. I realize, Quo, that you are the one who puts these things together. I realize that you tire endlessly on making them work. I can't thank you enough for doing it, and I hope you don't think anything less.

My agreeance with MadBryan that things were becoming too complicated to be fun were actually because of all the talk about setting up all these different preliminary games and gathering kill ratios, etc., over a period of time, so we could set up even teams. I think all that sounds like a lot of hoopla that usually never seems to work out the way it's planned. I'm not saying it can't work, I just think it's a little too much. That's just my opinion.

[Quo]

Originally Posted by Causedawg 83

My agreeance with MadBryan that things were becoming too complicated to be fun were actually because of all the talk about setting up all these different preliminary games and gathering kill ratios, etc., over a period of time, so we could set up even teams. I think all that sounds like a lot of hoopla that usually never seems to work out the way it's planned. I'm not saying it can't work, I just think it's a little too much. That's just my opinion.

I know you were joking, Cause. No harm, no foul.

There are a lot of people here at PGL, not just me, who spend a lot of their own time making PGL a more interesting place to play games and talk about games. All these events and tourneys aren't just because a few guys are obsessed with hardcore competition or wanting to track a bunch of stats, etc. They're also a means of getting new people involved in the site, posting some smack, having some fun, creating new friendships and more activity here at the site. It gets pretty irritating when someone takes that, twists it totally and complains, acting like we've ruined a game or like we've sucked all the fun out of a game. I'm a little defensive about it because I'm protective of my time, and of the other people who organize and help heres' time.

Everyone enjoys games differently. For those who just want to play, that's great. You won't find me getting into a thread about just jumping on playing and telling people, "hey, stop playing that game in such a simplistic fashion, it's boring." Or that they've ruined a game because they won't get involved in a larger community event.

As to the last part of Cause's comment, I'm personally not in favor of tracking a bunch of stats or having prelim matches to make the teams fair. I agree, that's too much legwork that adds very little to nothing. All I suggested was that there are a few players that play more than anyone else in each game, and they know how good each of the other players are. That knowledge can help make the teams more fair than the drafting we've been doing. As with the draft it can all be done behind the scenes, so those who don't want to have any responsibility don't have to have any.

Finally, I will say this. The staff here goes through considerable effort to make events run smoothly. Moreso, it goes through tremendous effort to make things simple for the majority of people. And generally speaking, the simpler the event is for everyone else, the more complicated it is for the people organizing it. Look back. When I first started organizing events we did straight tourneys.

• Each team had to coordinate with the other teams to play matches. People complained.
• We simplified... the next time we had set times. People complained.
• Next we had subs so the teams could be flexible. People complained.
• We had two massive teams... show up and play or not, we don't care, hell bring subs and mercs. People complained, not fair one team is stacked.
• Next, no teams at all (KotH event). Mayhem ensues. People complained.

There's one consistent factor in all of this. Complex or simple, people complain. And usually, those who cry loudest are the people who either did nothing at all to help or weren't even involved at all.

[supafreak]

Quo..Thanks for the hard work you are doing in planning events. It is much appreciated and I am glad you are willing to give up some of your personal time to plan things.

For those that are interested in some R6V2 I am going to host a room for FNFF next week. If you want to get in then check out the thread.

[Quo]

Right back atcha man. You're one of the many giving your time here!

And I'm there on the R6v2 room. Otherwise, how would I write down everyone's K/D ratios, weapon preferences, decide who gets to use pistols and who uses rocket launchers and the like?

[ZoomZoom71]

...[enter obligatory "Nice job, Quo" remark here]...

[Quo]

Don't go getting all mushy on me.

[Causedawg 83]

Originally Posted by Quo

I know you were joking, Cause. No harm, no foul.

There are a lot of people here at PGL, not just me, who spend a lot of their own time making PGL a more interesting place to play games and talk about games. All these events and tourneys aren't just because a few guys are obsessed with hardcore competition or wanting to track a bunch of stats, etc. They're also a means of getting new people involved in the site, posting some smack, having some fun, creating new friendships and more activity here at the site. It gets pretty irritating when someone takes that, twists it totally and complains, acting like we've ruined a game or like we've sucked all the fun out of a game. I'm a little defensive about it because I'm protective of my time, and of the other people who organize and help heres' time.

Everyone enjoys games differently. For those who just want to play, that's great. You won't find me getting into a thread about just jumping on playing and telling people, "hey, stop playing that game in such a simplistic fashion, it's boring." Or that they've ruined a game because they won't get involved in a larger community event.

As to the last part of Cause's comment, I'm personally not in favor of tracking a bunch of stats or having prelim matches to make the teams fair. I agree, that's too much legwork that adds very little to nothing. All I suggested was that there are a few players that play more than anyone else in each game, and they know how good each of the other players are. That knowledge can help make the teams more fair than the drafting we've been doing. As with the draft it can all be done behind the scenes, so those who don't want to have any responsibility don't have to have any.

Finally, I will say this. The staff here goes through considerable effort to make events run smoothly. Moreso, it goes through tremendous effort to make things simple for the majority of people. And generally speaking, the simpler the event is for everyone else, the more complicated it is for the people organizing it. Look back. When I first started organizing events we did straight tourneys.

• Each team had to coordinate with the other teams to play matches. People complained.
• We simplified... the next time we had set times. People complained.
• Next we had subs so the teams could be flexible. People complained.
• We had two massive teams... show up and play or not, we don't care, hell bring subs and mercs. People complained, not fair one team is stacked.
• Next, no teams at all (KotH event). Mayhem ensues. People complained.

There's one consistent factor in all of this. Complex or simple, people complain. And usually, those who cry loudest are the people who either did nothing at all to help or weren't even involved at all.

Seriously? Just when I thought you understood what I was saying about making posts short and to the point for me to understand, you go and post this monster here?

That's it. Rainbow Six is officially ruined for me.



I'd love to be on tonight, but unfortunately, we're winging a garage sale tomorrow morning, and I'll most likely be focusing on getting that ready till I go to bed.

[MadBryan]

wow, just wow!

[Thornes70]

Hey Quo - dude, your post totally put me to sleep, so I just skipped it... Was there anything important in it?

[D_Litch]

*splash* Oh god! There is a river of tears and vinegar coming from this thread!

If you don't want to be part of the war, that's fine. Just don't come in here giving Quo a hard time for trying be helpful. It's a little ungrateful to shit on the guy when he's trying to explain things so people will understand what's going on, and then expect him to deal with all the BS associated with the event without ever saying anything. Quo should fart in your dinner tonight, spray fart.

[lovekeiiy]

if the room fills, I'll host a 2nd room.

[AZRaiderH8r]

I'm down for the war, but I plan on accusing Bronx of camping every match, even if he's on my team.

[lovekeiiy]

Although it was more difficult than I was expecting, I did manage to get 8 PGLers to play some multiplayer matches. Very fun indeed. I even enjoyed deathmatch. We even had 11 or 12 people playing total domination (control three satellites at once for one minute; that was a total blast when we had that many. I do hope that ubi comes out with some more versus modes and maps like GRAW2.