NBA 2k8 League 2008

[Snake1399]

Originally Posted by OOHCHIT

snake sorry i missed you last night i played my league game w/ncaa ftball. The next two are going to busy so ill be lucky to squeeze in a game, and im going out of town till next tue...so if i do get a chance it probley be after 10-11pm AZ time..mt***

no problem man, there's a good chance i'll be on around then, so maybe we can get the game in before you skip town

[Snake1399]

nice to see i'm not alone, found this on the web and this dude sez NBA Live is better. All opinion of course, but here's what he had to say:

Just an example, in my NBA2K game, I played a 9 minute quarter game. At the end, I can't even tell you how many easy missed layups I saw in 2K. It was to the point I was expecting them by the 3rd quarter. I get an offensive rebound, I go up with the shot, I brick it. I end up losing by 7 on default All-Star level. Out of the 10-15 missed layups, I think I would have won the game, no, I would have won the game. Now someone may say it's me missing the shots, and I'm sure it's partially me, but regardless of how I "shoot", a NBA player shouldn't miss that many layups point blank. Maybe I'm looking too deep into it, but that alone ruins a lot of the fun, not too mention the 3-4 times I got stuck in an animation.

I then played my game of Live. Using the same 9 minute quarters, I won my game by 11. Again, default level, with no slider changes or alterations. Besides 2 or 3 rebounds hitting the court without anyone catching them first, I didn't have one moment in the game where I wanted to throw the controller at the wall. I felt in control the entire time, and felt my actions decided whether I won the game or not.

[EnderzGame13]

You just have to get a feel for the game man, it'll get better. It makes a difference what direction you are pushing the left stick when you lay the ball in and sometimes that will alter your shot. Go to the practice mode and just wail away for a while, you'll get a great feel for everyone's release points on jumpshots and lay-ups.
Did you guys know that when your stick starts vibrating for no reason on the game its because you're in the ballhandlers 'sweet' spot? Shots are much more likely to go in when you're in their preferred location.

I bought madden for a football fix, but I never took the time to re-learn the game. I miss NFL 2k5 so bad it hurts...

[EnderzGame13]

Live=Madden

[paniro777]

2k is a little more animated, i'd agree to that. Layups being missed, when i miss layups it seems I shot it with a player that was not a good finisher and there was some defensive presence hindering the shot. I really can't recall many times I just blew wide open uncontested layups, sure it happens, but i think its rare.

Its really hard to explain, but live is still just more arcadey. Its not very difficult to abuse the crossover and get to the basket. so you may feel like you have more control, but in reality its not accurate. You shouldn't be able to stop your crossover mid dribble and start another special dribbling move like a spin. In 2k, if you start a crossover one way, and then try to do another move like a spin, often times that isn't an animation you could do in reality without taking another step in between, and thats where 2k adds some realism and adds that extra animated frame bridging your 2 dribbling moves together. Sure now you have a longer drawn out animation and probably got the shot blocked. But the user has to learn how to handle/dribble the ball properly.

I agree a player shouldn't just miss point blank shots, but if it is somethin the user is doin then they should IMO. In a FPS I wouldn't be happy playing online if you get an auto head shot if you are at point blank range. I'd like the other players to still have to aim accurately at the head, even though in real life a shooter, a tactical swat team member should not mess any close range shots.

A lot of things come down to personal preference and opinion so I don't knock anyone for how they feel about certain aspects of games. Every game has its pros/cons so it comes down to which set of pros/cons you prefer. I prefer 2ks more realistic approach.

[EnderzGame13]

The thing about 2k is...its not an easy game to play. It may seem like it at first, but the more you learn about the game the more difficult it becomes....sorta.
If Quo wanted to, he could go in and adjust the game sliders for the whole league. Pretty much, all the categories are set at 50 (default) right now. In most of my HOF leagues, we will adjust a number of the sliders to get a more realistic game. I usually turn down the dunk/lay-up sliders to discourage (D_Litch) excessive paint scoring. Simply because its too easy to score in the paint on this game once you figure out how to score consistently.
You can adjust mid range/long range shots, the collision detector, pick strength/effectiveness, off/def awareness...all of that stuff is adjustable. The sliders make a huge difference in the game.

I would say that maybe they need to be adjusted, but I think its just your overall unfamiliarity with the game that's killing you. I (in two games) haven't had any problems at all with post scoring...but then again, I know the nuances of the gameplay.

[EnderzGame13]

when i miss layups it seems I shot it with a player that was not a good finisher and there was some defensive presence hindering the shot.

This is huge in the game. Know your personnel. If a person's rating in a category is 78 or below, then I'm hesitant to use him in that regard (lay up, 3-pt, etc)...yeah, he may get hot...or even sometimes have a career night, but chances are..more often than not he's gonna blow it.

If there is a solid defender (def awareness 80+, post D/on-ball D-80+) on a scorer, he can wreak havoc on the ballhandler. Just his presence alone, jumping with a shooter will disrupt the shot, cause a missed lay-up...just screw up the offense.

I've learned not to get discouraged if l fall behind. You can usually come back if you constantly disrupt the offense, they will start trickin' the ball off and throwing it away...allowing for a comeback if you play smart basketball.

[Snake1399]

don't get me wrong fellas, i know i aint the worlds greatest player, but the amount of easy shots missed last night was what was frustrating for me. I can see a cold shooter missing wide open shots and all that, but i was consistently missing wide open layups, it was frustrating as hell by the time my 2nd game was over, so maybe its me and i just need to practice, but sure seemed out of the ordinary to me. I'm gonna keep on pluggin and see what happens at any rate.

good to know about the sweet spot vibration (gross!) i did not know that

[D_Litch]

I would be severely pissed if sliders were fooled around with. I may have been a bit of a biznitch with all of the lay-ups and dunks I was pulling, but I could have been stopped. Ask Schlick, his D tightened up and I actually started shooting mid-long range shots(with some deal of success). And the Pistons were in a strange defensive scheme where 3 players were guarding my inbound, so I just inbounded to mid-court and laid it up uncontested.

I know you guys know more about the game than I do, but I've always been against adjusting CPU skills in leagues.

[paniro777]

i hear ya snake, hard to know what others experience when they play sometimes. I know when i first got the game i kinda felt like you did, and I was already used to the game since i played 2k7 a ton. Lots of little nuances in this game to get used to, hell, i'm still learning some new things and getting better at others.

[OOHCHIT]

hey guys i noticed that early on , i actually wrote about in this thread early on. It was one of my 1st game playing online.I was the suns against the magic and i missed a lot of layup and when i should of dunked my player did some crazy turnaround shot and missed and steve nash was 1-20 from 3 point line and the only one i hit was a mistake when i hit the shoot button instead of the pass and he made it from almost half court. lets just hope that only happens once

[Quo]

I have no intention of messing with sliders. I don't know what I'm doing so I'd only mess them up... if it turns out you guys think it'd be wise, I'll have one of you do it for me.

[D_Litch]

Leave it as it be!

[Causedawg 83]

DLitch is just pissed because he got Duncanated.


TIMMAE!!!

[Snake1399]

Originally Posted by Quo

I have no intention of messing with sliders. I don't know what I'm doing so I'd only mess them up... if it turns out you guys think it'd be wise, I'll have one of you do it for me.

I say leave everything as is. Sliders are fine to mess around with for achievements or whatever, but not for league games.

By the way, i finally beat Causedawg in an exhibition match, and my dudes made almost all their layups, so maybe there's hope for me yet. If the Tigers can win one, so can I!!

[EnderzGame13]

Yeah...for the most part, the sliders are fine. They really come into play when you have an experienced league and long quarters (8-10min) and people want more realistic stats. Have to tweak some, usually inside scoring and rebounding.

...I'm cool though...just don't want you guys to get frustrated with the game then quit playin, it really is the best basketball simulation to date.

[Snake1399]

Originally Posted by EnderzGame13

...I'm cool though...just don't want you guys to get frustrated with the game then quit playin, it really is the best basketball simulation to date.

no worries there, i might go 0-16 but quitting is not in my make-up