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manwich3000 · 02-22-2007, 08:15 PM

Just got my 360 back from the repair center and was able to compare the high def disc output for the first time. Here's what I found...

I'm using a Sony 60a2000 SXRD...used Avia to calibrate...settings ended up being very similar except brightness level on Xbox had to be about 7 clicks lower than PS3 to match the test pattern on Avia. HDMI 1080p on the PS3 and Component 1080I on the 360.

Comparing T2 Blu Ray to King Kong HDDVD, Blu Ray playback was sharper, and had a lot more brightness...hd dvd playback was somewhat duller and dimmer overall. I was surprised considering King Kong is supposedly a much better transfer than T2 is.

This could be because of the HDMI vs. component, not sure.

Anyway, any thoughts, comments or suggestions are welcome...just glad to have my 360 back in action! We'll see how long it lasts this time...

alter_ego_trip · 02-22-2007, 08:40 PM

The problem is Avia is not really setup to calculate either one. It could be hurting or helping one format more than the other. Also using two different discs to compare is not really accurate. Also the PS3 is probably a better transport than the 360 add on.

GoatMother · 02-22-2007, 09:17 PM

Use The Departed on both formats. I imagine the results would be very close on the PQ end while the PS3 would blow away the add-on in the audio end.

lovekeiiy · 02-22-2007, 09:46 PM

I don't think King Kong was a very bright movie to begin with. A lot of the comparison one does, visually speaking, is very dependent on the source.

That said, the PS3 is probably a bit better visually, not no day and night, because it is an add-on, and because of hardware limits and so forth, I would expect the audio to be better.

That said, neither should be as good as a dedicated movie machine. The more things you have a machine do, the lower the quality. But heck, $200 for HDDVD player is a good price since I already had the 360 for gaming. When I got mine, I wasn't expecting the best HD DVD player. I figure it would be on par with entry level dedicated machines which it is. And since my HDTV only goes to 1080i, I wasn't worried about not being able to do 1080p or getting a VGA cable and dealing with it's limits.

And really, I could care less about the Blue Ray vs. HD DVD, per se. The only thing that matters is what looks and sounds good to me. It's not like one format is head and shoulders above the other in the output qaulity of the picture. Were talking about, maybe 5 Gigs of space difference. Sound and picture qaulity is dependent on the orginal recordings, transfer, and subsequent editing. The people who care about the formats are the media and the format developers--Sony, Toshiba, etc.

CamDawg · 02-23-2007, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by lovekeiiy

That said, neither should be as good as a dedicated movie machine. The more things you have a machine do, the lower the quality.

Not quite true with the PS3 as a BD player -- every review I've read about it is pretty adamant that the PS3 is at least as good as all and better than most stand alone BD players. It does a great job and is easy/fast to use (if you have the remote control).

In my experience (of comparing the same exact material) with both the 360 HD-DVD player and the PS3, picture quality is the same for both. Audio is a bit better with the PS3 than with the 360 add-on (probably because the 360 is doing some kind of special audio processing internally).

manwich3000 · 02-23-2007, 06:58 AM

Hey CamDawg...are you running HDMI (PS3) & Component (360) on your systems? What kind of display are you using?

Just wanted to see how different our setups are...thanks

CamDawg · 02-23-2007, 07:26 AM

With the PS3, I am running HDMI (using a Bestdealcables.com HDMI to DVI cable) and Component with the 360 (using the standard cmponent cable that came with the 360). My TV is a Hitachi 46F500 (3 year old CRT-based rear projection). With several other source s(a Toshiba HD-A1 standalone HD-DVD player, a Comcast/Motorla DCT-6412 HD-DVR,a Toshiba/DirecTV HD Receiver, a couple of upconverting DVD player), I have never been able to discern a difference between component and HDMI/DVI on my TV. The only source where I could tell a difference was with a Hughes DirecTivo HD (colors were brighter with HDMI-DVI).

manwich3000 · 02-23-2007, 11:43 AM

OK, cool...what native res is your display, 1080i or 720p?

I'm just thinking the difference I see is the 1080p source (PS3) versus the 1080i source (360)

Jon Liu · 02-23-2007, 11:50 AM

There shouldn't be much difference between 1080i and 1080p sources. The difference would be minimal, if at all, if given the same feed. But, considering that the 360 is using Component and the PS3 is HDMI, you will probably see more of a difference from that.

I noticed that the 360 is darker as well when comparing titles.

Manwich, btw... I just received my Sony 60A2000 yesterday and I am LOVING it! OMG, this thing is freakin' awesome.

manwich3000 · 02-23-2007, 12:09 PM

hey Jon, yeah the 60a2000 kix butt....it is very niiiiiice as Borat would say.

I hope you enjoy...I know you will!

BrewCityUpstart · 02-23-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Liu

Manwich, btw... I just received my Sony 60A2000 yesterday and I am LOVING it! OMG, this thing is freakin' awesome.

The Green Blob and Yellow Streak will consume you.

alter_ego_trip · 02-23-2007, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BrewCityUpstart

The Green Blob and Yellow Streak will consume you.

Harsh Brew.....Funny, but harsh.

BrewCityUpstart · 02-23-2007, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by alter_ego_trip

Harsh Brew.....Funny, but harsh.

Its true. I'm might actually represent WI in the Sony class Action Lawsuit.

Jon Liu · 02-23-2007, 03:28 PM

So far so good. No green blob or green haze. I noticed a tiny, tiny bit of discoloration for the first minute or two but, it pretty much goes away after that. If it gets worse, I will definitely be calling Sony!

manwich3000 · 02-23-2007, 05:45 PM

I've had no blob or haze of any type, other than the first minute or so of powering on, everything is a bit bluish...but after about 60 seconds it is beautiful

CamDawg · 02-23-2007, 06:20 PM

I heard that the green blob isn't there on 2006 Sonys shipped after late summer. Not sure if that's BS or not, but it seemed to be the consensus on several boards. If that's true, it's just more fuel for the class action fire.

Manwich, my display is 1080i native. Since it's not digital natively (CRT-based), I really don't get any benefit with DVI (using the HDMI to DVI cable) over component (it has to reprocess the digital signal from the DVI port back into an analog one before displaying it). It's like when LCDs for computers started taking off and the CRT makers started selling CRT monitors with DVI inputs instead of RGB to jack up the price -- no benefit at all with using a digital port on an analog device.

GoatMother · 02-23-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Liu

So far so good. No green blob or green haze. I noticed a tiny, tiny bit of discoloration for the first minute or two but, it pretty much goes away after that. If it gets worse, I will definitely be calling Sony!

He's got the older model which seem to have the higher % of blobls.

When I had my 60A2000 from Circuit it had a slight green tint while warming up for a minute but that was it.

Jon Liu · 02-23-2007, 06:33 PM

The discoloration I am talking about is sooooooo incredibly faint that no one else who is the wiser will even know it's there. I actually tried looking for it just this afternoon and I couldn't see any discoloration anymore. I think the set just had to break in a few hours!

I don't think blobs are a problem anymore, but green, yellow, pinkish hazes are still a problem with the Optical Blocks.

I think it's just color uniformity that's the real issue.

I checked the build date for mine and it's January 2007, so I got one of the newest sets!

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