Erection 2008

[D_Litch]

I decide to not check the site this morning before leaving, and look at all the fun I missed

I think it is possible for pro-McCain and pro-Obama adults to have discussions about politics. But I agree with Wonder, keep the lies out of it. Radio hosts, cable news anchors, and Fwd.Fwd.Fwd emails 99.98% are full of lies. As adults, we/you guys should be able to have a discussion about one subject without it boiling down to "I hate Candidate A".

As far as "topics" brought up, I just have to say "Pleeease". It was proven time and time again before the primaries that Obama never practiced the Muslim religion. Another thing, to call the man unpatriotic because he doesn't cover his jacket and plane with the American flag is also unfair. Those American flag lapel pins are a hollow means of appearing patriotic. And of course, the most prevalent lie spread so far(since the primaries at least), Obama's "white-hating" church. Rev. Wright's church is not a "black separatists" church, and it most certainly isn't a 'white-hating" church. Plenty of white people attend mass there every week. I'm no fan of churches, or religion for that manner, but it appears all Rev. Wright is doing is telling the same religious stories [told in white churches] from an African-American point-of-view.

Now, I'm in no way saying that Rev. Wright's views aren't controversial, and I certainly don't agree with them. But let's leave reverends out of this. After all, John McCain does have John Hagee's support. But that's another issue.

[alter_ego_trip]

Originally Posted by Wondermonkey

Alter, your post should have been edited because it was nothing but slander, but it wasn't, by anyone, so save the drama for the IGN boards.

Reading through the last few replies, I think you have the drama part backwards.

What makes this country great is the fact that it's a democracy. I have the opportunity to vote for who I feel will do the best job for me and the economy over the next four years. I don't care who you vote for, as long as you vote. I voted for Bush, and he's done some good things for the economy, and also some bad things. I certainly am not going to get offended when someone rags on him. Bottom line is though; if you don't vote you have no right to complain.

[Serren]

How come I was invited to the debate?

Host:
"Mr. Serren, what do you think about the political outcry to the issues surrounding the plight of Zimbabwe and their relations with Iran?"

Serren:
“Girls have boobies.”

[alter_ego_trip]

Originally Posted by Serren

How come I was invited to the debate?

Host:
"Mr. Serren, what do you think about the political outcry to the issues surrounding the plight of Zimbabwe and their relations with Iran?"

Serren:
“Girls have boobies.”

Great timing Serren, thanks for lightening the mood.

[Diego_Mike]

Originally Posted by Serren

How come I was invited to the debate?

Host:
"Mr. Serren, what do you think about the political outcry to the issues surrounding the plight of Zimbabwe and their relations with Iran?"

Serren:
“Girls have boobies.”

And with that ladies and gentleman I declare Serren the victor of the PGL debate. Thank you everyone for your opinions on these pressing matters. Good night....and good luck.

[pickleL7]

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He is a small business owner and is being over run by government taxes and foreign import...

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[D_Litch]

"Paid for in part by the National Society for Galleria Sales Initiatives"

[Wondermonkey]

Originally Posted by pickleL7

The best way to stimulate are economy is buy doing all of you Holiday shopping at2 Birds Gallery, Kingston WashingtonThe owner of this fine establishment is Welsh,Irish and Native American,He does not know all the words to are national anthem but he is great at humming
He is a small business owner and is being over run by government taxes and foreign import...

I'm Picklel7 and I approve this message

Sir. I love you. Can I order you on the website?

[GoatMother]

LOL, we need that dude from Idiocracy in your avatar

[Causedawg 83]

Originally Posted by Wondermonkey

Please let me know if you need more, I'd hate for you not to be caught up:

...

If I had more than one temp I'd be able to get you all 50 with multiple sources by the end of the day. Unfortunately, I only have one, so you're going to have to wait.

No thanks, Wonder. I have plenty to keep me busy with my work, and I have no doubt already made up my mind before hearing any debates, or reading any forwarded emails (about who to or to not vote for, not about where I stand on each of those points in the email). I was just saying that if I were to research each individual point, I wouldn't just go to a supposedly biased site to get all my information. I'm sure they have valid points from objective sources, but I'd be willing to bet that so did the email (I'm guessing the original email had links to sources, but they didn't carry over to the original posting by Alter). Anyways, you went and grabbed some information from other sources on that one point, so I'll give you that. I'm not gonna get in an argument about anything, though. That was never my intention.

[D_Litch]

[pickleL7]

Originally Posted by D_Litch

"Paid for in part by the National Society for Galleria Sales Initiatives"

Thanks Litch

[pickleL7]

Originally Posted by Wondermonkey

Sir. I love you. Can I order you on the website?

not all me,but certain parts just type in the code..pickles..pickle

[Epyon MX]

Back to the original thread topic: I've been watching the news pretty closely today and I feel that ultimately, the campaign suspension is a farce. Here are several reasons why:

1) Barney Frank, one of the men spearheading the bailout plan, said this today:

on John McCain:

"He’s been irrelevant to the process. He remains to be," said Frank. "I was afraid that his dropping in here, like Andy Kaufman’s Mighty Mouse—'here I am to save the day'—I thought that would slow things down. I didn’t see any sign of our Republican colleagues paying any attention to him whatsoever."

His presence and his campaign's presence create several problems. First off they politicize the finance problem, not something we need. Secondly, it adds an artificial timeline. McCain is calling for a solution by Monday, but experts are increasingly of the opinion that we don't need a hasty solution.

2) McCain hasn't even suspended his campaign in truth. Most of his field offices are still running and he has his advisors on TV attacking Obama. His ads are still up, but it's only been one day, so I'm understanding of it taking a day to pull them down with them running in so many markets, but it shouldn't be hard to stop your advisors from going on TV nor should it be hard to let the field offices know you're shutting down for a while.

3) He doesn't have time for a debate, but will do interviews on all the major networks tonight.

Finally...

4) He hadn't even read the Paulson bail out plan on Tuesday, the day before he suspended his campaign. The plan is three pages and was released on the Friday before. Just that past week he was on TV declaring the fundamentals of the economy are strong and then on Wednesday, he's too busy fixing the economy in Washington for one night to debate?

[Wondermonkey]

Originally Posted by Causedawg 83

but I'd be willing to bet that so did the email (I'm guessing the original email had links to sources, but they didn't carry over to the original posting by Alter). Anyways, you went and grabbed some information from other sources on that one point, so I'll give you that. I'm not gonna get in an argument about anything, though. That was never my intention.

I wasn't attacking you, I just didn't want anyone thinking that anything in that email hasn't long been disproved ages ago. The original e-mail does not contain links, which is usually the number one trigger you are reading 100% bullplop. Facts come with sources, and sources are used to verify facts, and when something doesn't come with verification, it will usually wind up being bullplop, as was this case.

On the other hand, while you can see the complete email (not the abridged version that Alter posted) right here (50 Lies Email) you will also see that the debunking points will be attributed to a source, usually a newspaper article or investigative journalism. This, in Journalism, is known as the "Source trail." Also, in Journalism, there is always a team that does nothing but fact checking. Oddly enough, they are called "Fact Checkers," and for four years that was my job. There seems to be this mentality of "because I heard it and now repeat it, it's true," and that's what Fact Checkers are tasked with.

Either way, this all boils down to research. People can do it themselves. As a matter of fact, there is a nonpartisan, nonprofit, "consumer advocate" for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics. They monitor the factual accuracy of what is said by major U.S. political players in the form of TV ads, debates, speeches, interviews, and news releases. They are called FactCheck.org, and they have plenty there about both sides.

[Epyon MX]

FactCheck.org is great. They keep both of the candidates honest.

[alter_ego_trip]

Wonder, thank you for your intelligently, well scripted, thought provoking reply which has caused me to see the error of my ways. I have been naively siding with the Republicans in a ignorant stupor. By blindly believing all of this negative propaganda which has been secretly written by the Republican party in an effort to gain total authority over the uneducated average American, thus causing them to stand up and revile against the utopian Democratic party, I have wandered off the path to true economic bliss and financial freedom. I am only fortunate that you stepped in in time to prevent this near disastrous consequence which was rapidly ensuing my bleak abysmal future. I owe you a debt of gratitude.

Originally Posted by Wondermonkey

I wasn't attacking you, I just didn't want anyone thinking that anything in that email hasn't long been disproved ages ago. The original e-mail does not contain links, which is usually the number one trigger you are reading 100% bullplop. Facts come with sources, and sources are used to verify facts, and when something doesn't come with verification, it will usually wind up being bullplop, as was this case.

On the other hand, while you can see the complete email (not the abridged version that Alter posted) right here (50 Lies Email) you will also see that the debunking points will be attributed to a source, usually a newspaper article or investigative journalism. This, in Journalism, is known as the "Source trail." Also, in Journalism, there is always a team that does nothing but fact checking. Oddly enough, they are called "Fact Checkers," and for four years that was my job. There seems to be this mentality of "because I heard it and now repeat it, it's true," and that's what Fact Checkers are tasked with.

Either way, this all boils down to research. People can do it themselves. As a matter of fact, there is a nonpartisan, nonprofit, "consumer advocate" for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics. They monitor the factual accuracy of what is said by major U.S. political players in the form of TV ads, debates, speeches, interviews, and news releases. They are called FactCheck.org, and they have plenty there about both sides.

[Twilight]

man is this country screwed. It's just too damn hard for the normal working man in America to filter through all the BS and cast an informed and educated vote.

If you listen to all the "experts" on both sides of the political fence, One side will tell you its night and the other side says its day. They then will go on to back it all up with facts and statistics that only a well educated an motivated individual could even begin to verify.

I hear you guys in these threads discredit each other's statements by attacking the sources of the information. When it comes down to it, we are all taking someone elses word that the info we have is correct. Unless you spend all your days on capitol hill of course.

I would like to state again that the only way (for me anyway) to get through all the BS is to pick one or two issues that really matter to me (Less taxes and the Iraq war in this case) and focus on these.

I also try to look past all the individual's platform issues and promises because they are usually disregarded soon after election day. I personally try to take the measure of the man running for office. If the rest of our country did that, we would not have had 8 years of G.W. Bush. Can I get a "hell yeah"?

I like some of the stuff Obama is saying, but I wonder if he is "man enough" to actually follow through and stay the course in the face of fierce political adversity? I respect Mccain's character and life experience, but I also think he is really another good old (very old) boy Republican playing the maveric role to get elected.

What I would really like to see happen is for these guys to be held accountable for the promises they make. If they get elected on certain issues and fail to follow through, then they should be called out for it.



Oh yeah, I also read somewhere that Obama is the antichrist so I'm a little concerned about that also.

[D_Litch]

Bold print means serious business.

[alter_ego_trip]

Originally Posted by D_Litch

Bold print means serious business.

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