First a waitress, now Nazis?

[KEEZY]

It should be. I'm whacked out today.

[Causedawg 83]

To me, the fine line is this (as I believe our forefathers intended for us), you draw the line where your actions infringe on another citizen's right to privacy and property. That, to me, is the true meaning of Liberty.

Thornes is right about common sense, though. If you don't anchor your common sense with something, then it will always be changing, and it will always vary from person to person. Who decides what is common sense and what isn't? When our country was formed, it was not common sense that black people were equal to white people. That's changed, among many other things. Some for the better (such as that one), and some for the worse. Obviously, common sense has changed since the inception of our country. It's especially changed in the past couple decades. I believe that, before you know it, it will be illegal to teach Christianity to your children. It already is illegal to even bring it up in our schools. Why is that? Because certain people believe that it's teaching hate to our children, instead of acceptance (not unlike the situation that this thread is about). Obviously there are other reasons, but that's a biggie I think. If we're not careful, and we give the government the right to take children away for being under the care and guidance of a Nazi, you'll find the same will be true for a Christian family as well in due time.

The most important thing to remember is that everyone has free will. It doesn't matter what you're brought up to think, God (whether you believe in him or not) gave you the right make your own decision. If you choose to mindlessly believe what you were told when you were under the care of your parents without finding out for yourself if it's true, it's your own fault. You have a brain; you have a volition; use it.

[MadBryan]

This is kinda why I don't approve of gays adopting, because they are pushing their beliefs on the kids. It might not be intentional, but it will happen, if that's the environment they are raised in.

[AlphaQ GehaD]

Posted by Lax

Where do we draw the line? Some people consider Islam to be a religion that teaches hate, does that mean that we should take all kids away from them? It's all a matter of perception.

This perception has to do with Media & desperate people in those countries that are suffering and are gullible enough to do what Osama or others say.

This is coming directly from the parents & If they were making their Children Hate mongers .....I still wouldnt know what to do. People are just pathetic, to tell you the truth i dont even think this is worth my time. You can put the blame on everything there is in this world and its still not enough. Those parents need to watch American History X, Edward Norton will make things better, he's very convincing.

[D_Litch]

Originally Posted by MadBryan

This is kinda why I don't approve of gays adopting, because they are pushing their beliefs on the kids. It might not be intentional, but it will happen, if that's the environment they are raised in.

I know a few people who were raised by gay parents(one by adoption, and one by dad finding something out about himself). Both of them(both are males) are straight, and didn't turn out "funny". If I were raised by black parents, would I turn out black?

[Desi Cuse]

Originally Posted by D_Litch

If I were raised by black parents, would I turn out black?

Homosexuality is not a choice. Dlitch here has a great example.

[KEEZY]

Wait... Dlitch isn't black???? Next you're going to tell me Brad isn't black, and that's just absurd.

[Wondermonkey]

Originally Posted by D_Litch

If I were raised by black parents, would I turn out black?

Obviously.

I was raised by two devout Christians, and I'm atheist.

My buddy was raised by two wolves, and incidentally, he lost his wife and child during the family reunion. It's a shame really.

Again, this isn't about religion or sexual identity, it's about a "mother & father" teaching their children hate and discrimination. That's not religious, or gay, or straight.

[kingsfan2099]

A good point was brought up about homosexual parents raising a child. It could be argued by someone that doesn't believe homosexuality is right that they have no right to raise a child. Both topics are controversial and polarizing so how is it different? I don't agree with what they were teaching those children but there are laws that protect them. Just like the saying goes there are more laws to protect the criminal than the victim. I feel bad for those kids because their lives if you go by the percentages are over....

[MadBryan]

Originally Posted by kingsfan2099

A good point was brought up about homosexual parents raising a child.

Yep, I thought so too.

[Wondermonkey]

Originally Posted by kingsfan2099

A good point was brought up about homosexual parents raising a child. It could be argued by someone that doesn't believe homosexuality is right that they have no right to raise a child. Both topics are controversial and polarizing so how is it different?

I'll try to explain how it's different in simple to use terms again.

Homosexuality does not teach hate and discrimination, it promotes acceptance and tolerance.

White Supremacy does teach hate and discrimination, and despises acceptance and tolerance.

Can everyone understand that, or do some folks need some pictures drawn in MS Paint?

[Causedawg 83]

Oh great, now we're drawing pictures?

No one is debating whether or not white supremacy teaches hate and discrimination or not. It clearly does. I doubt anyone here is debating whether or not homosexuality teaches acceptance and tolerance or not either. It does for the most part (because it's a polar opposite from white supremacy).

What we're debating here is whether or not the government has a right to intervene where a child is being brought up in a home filled with what we perceive to be hateful and discriminatory.


Now, about that picture in MS Paint...

[Wondermonkey]

Originally Posted by Causedawg 83

Now, about that picture in MS Paint...

Keezy promised to draw one, everything I draw in paint turns out like a bathroom stall scribble.

Did anyone catch the family on the BBC news last night? They're classy and grown, and the father apparently has nothing against "******s and jews, so I don't know why they'd take my kids."

[Causedawg 83]

I'd like to see it.

I've got BBC on demand. What was the news show called, Wonder?

[MadBryan]

I get alittle tired of being called stupid and simple (even a creten) if I express my opinion and it differs from yours Monkey. The conversation was going towards parents beliefs being pushed on kids in general and I agree they do, which is why I don't agree with gays adopting. Just because Dlitch knows A guy who didn't turn out gay doesn't make it so. Also obviously having black parents won't change your skin color but it could change your outlook on life and make you think everyone owes you something. You expect people to accept that you don't belive in God, but you can't accept that homosexuality is wrong in my opinion.

[namehater]

i dont see what it matters if the kids were raised as racists, isnt canada just a bunch of crackers anyhow? ok, thats my one joke, im out

[Causedawg 83]

Originally Posted by MadBryan

I get alittle tired of being called stupid and simple (even a creten) if I express my opinion and it differs from yours Monkey. The conversation was going towards parents beliefs being pushed on kids in general and I agree they do, which is why I don't agree with gays adopting. Just because Dlitch knows A guy who didn't turn out gay doesn't make it so. Also obviously having black parents won't change your skin color but it could change your outlook on life and make you think everyone owes you something. You expect people to accept that you don't belive in God, but you can't accept that homosexuality is wrong in my opinion.

It's called selective tolerance.