Drill our oil petition

[Elite Ronnie]

So if your a repup or lean to the far left {cough monkey cough} we all know how supply and demant works, so we can all agree more oil means lower prices. Its been said there is enough oil in the "north slope" in alaska to last us 200 years. {which is plenty of time to come up with another solution for those who dont like the thoughts of using oil}. so if you want sign this partition. I think its sponsered by Newt Gingredge. Pretty sure thats not how you spell his name but you know who im talking about. just copy and past the link. Has some videos and stuff on there too.


American Solutions - Petitions

[namehater]

im on board, cheaper gas sounds great to me

[Crippler]

Originally Posted by Elite Ronnie

Its been said there is enough oil in the "north slope" in alaska to last us 200 years.

I'm not attacking you here Ronnie.

Now, I have to see these surveys or reports that would come close to support that claim mentioned. I have never read a scientific study or survey that would support that, far from it. Here's what Wiki has to offer:

In total, the oil deposits in ANWR contain as much oil to solely support U.S. consumption for 7 months (4.3B estimate) to 2 years (16B estimate).

That is based of the latest data of 20 BILLION barrels consumed DAILY as of 2007. We wouldn't see that oil from ANWR for probably another decade at least. What will our consumption be then? More than 20 billion probably. Drilling in Alaska is just a crutch and does nothing to break our dependency on oil. The world needs to face facts. Oil is not in unlimited supplies. Alternatives are needed now and $$ going to funding Band-Aids for our oil consumption by drilling for more can be better used towards breaking that dependency with alternatives. Ethanol isn't it either, unfortuanately. But that's an entirely diff discussion. To me, basically destroying an ecosystem used by hundreds of animals as breeding grounds isn't worth it.

[ZoomZoom71]

Originally Posted by Crippler

To me, basically destroying an ecosystem used by hundreds of animals as breeding grounds isn't worth it.

From what I've been hearing, the small footprint that has been set aside for ANWR drilling isn't really a thriving ecosystem, and will have little to no impact on wildlife in the area. The conservative talk shows that mention this equate the land to a "frozen Walmart parking lot".

[Epyon MX]

And Walmart parking lots are known for their small size.

The issue isn't just the drilling size. It's also transportation routes. Drilling will require a lot of machinery and manpower. You're going to have to build roads and far into the wilderness. And then, how are you going to get the oil out? You're going to have to build possibly hundreds of miles of pipeline.

It's not like all we're talking about here is some elk that are going to have to move somewhere else to graze. A lot of Alaska is made of permafrost and very fragile tundra. The plant life here is very slow growing. It would take hundreds of years for ecosystem to recover from the devastation wrought.

[ZoomZoom71]

Fortunately, ANWR isn't the only potential source for oil in the US. I'm in full support of any drilling off the coast of Florida, especially since other countries apparently are already doing so.

[supafreak]

Originally Posted by ZoomZoom71

Fortunately, ANWR isn't the only potential source for oil in the US. I'm in full support of any drilling off the coast of Florida, especially since other countries apparently are already doing so.

Yeah, I am with you on that one Zoom. This article from the Washington Post is a pretty good read. From what I have heard/read, China is drilling closer to our own coast than we are.

[Wondermonkey]

I could never support drilling in Alaska for oil, but for those that do, by all means sign the petition.

Also, for anyone interested, here's the ANWR analysis in pdf format.

[Elite Ronnie]

form what I understand china is drilling or going to be drilling 60 miles off the coast of florida. In my opionin and thats all it is, I say if some animals have to move few miles farther north to keep our country economicly stable then send them on there way. I agree with you too zoom if cuba and china are gonna drill the oil off the coast of florida we should too. The last significant oil spill there was was 35 years ago. Heck they they probably were diggn with backhoes 35 years ago, ha ha. If we can put a R.C car on mars im sure we can drill oil cleanly if the tree huggers would give us a chance.

[Elite Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Epyon MX

And Walmart parking lots are known for their small size.

The issue isn't just the drilling size. It's also transportation routes. Drilling will require a lot of machinery and manpower. You're going to have to build roads and far into the wilderness. And then, how are you going to get the oil out? You're going to have to build possibly hundreds of miles of pipeline.

It's not like all we're talking about here is some elk that are going to have to move somewhere else to graze. A lot of Alaska is made of permafrost and very fragile tundra. The plant life here is very slow growing. It would take hundreds of years for ecosystem to recover from the devastation wrought.

If we can get it here from iraq then we can find a way to get it here from alaska.

[Epyon MX]

Nobody's debating the possibility. I'm arguing that it isn't worth the cost (the cost of Iraq isn't worth it either, btw).

There's no way that this isn't going to be painful for everybody. But that financial pain should hopefully spur growth and relief in other areas. Kinda sucks to be in the era of the decline of oil, but that's what I was born to.

[Crippler]

I can't wait until we find oil under our coral reefs or something.

Say we drill in Alaska. We're having this same conversation 10 yrs from now and we're even more ****ed because we sat on our ass for another decade.

[Wondermonkey]

If oil had the chance, it would kill you, your family, and everyone you care about!

Castor oil was just the beginning...

[BrewCityUpstart]

Originally Posted by Crippler

I'm not attacking you here Ronnie.

Now, I have to see these surveys or reports that would come close to support that claim mentioned. I have never read a scientific study or survey that would support that, far from it. Here's what Wiki has to offer:

In total, the oil deposits in ANWR contain as much oil to solely support U.S. consumption for 7 months (4.3B estimate) to 2 years (16B estimate).

That is based of the latest data of 20 BILLION barrels consumed DAILY as of 2007. We wouldn't see that oil from ANWR for probably another decade at least. What will our consumption be then? More than 20 billion probably. Drilling in Alaska is just a crutch and does nothing to break our dependency on oil. The world needs to face facts. Oil is not in unlimited supplies. Alternatives are needed now and $$ going to funding Band-Aids for our oil consumption by drilling for more can be better used towards breaking that dependency with alternatives. Ethanol isn't it either, unfortuanately. But that's an entirely diff discussion. To me, basically destroying an ecosystem used by hundreds of animals as breeding grounds isn't worth it.

...and the internetz are ALWAYS right!

[namehater]

alaska would like nice as a piece of swiss cheese, lets make it happen! im tired of paying so much for gasoline!

[Elite Ronnie]

Id say in 15 to 20 years we will be using half the oil we do now. Im sure there will be something that actualy works to help use less oil by then. But besides nuclear power Its hard to believe what we have then will be completly non dependent on oil. I mean it looks like someone would have made some kind of discovery for power, though it wasnt mass produced, in the last 20 years if it were possible. Your probably right, drilling our own oil is probably just a stort term fix {by short term I mean 20 years or so} but im just afraid if we dont drill we might fall into a depression. On a very local level some of our local factories are only workn 3 day weeks because money is tight for folks {its a lazy boy factory}. Money is tight because of gas so people arent buyn there lazy boys as much. Now some of those workers could be potential costumers of mine but if there not workn there not buyn cabinets so then I fire my bug man because I'll keep my cash and kill my own bugs and so on and so forth. But maybe im over reacting. Ohhh god I hope my bug man doesnt starve.