Drill our oil petition

[Quo]

Reminds me... I've been looking to subscribe to PopSci. I may do that today.

In the last issue I picked up they detailed a Volvo that was in development for around 2012 that is projected to get upwards of 160 MPG. The tech was all about replacing the traditional engine with wheel engines, which substantially reduces the energy lost between the engine and the wheels (obviously). Very cool stuff is on the horizon.

There's all kinds of stuff coming out now about various alternative fuels/engines. This company has a website up about their efforts in fusion tech. I watched a presentation about it. They're talking about being able to produce enough electricity for a small community with a power plant that costs as little as $300,000 to build, and the fuel will be hydrogen/boron, which there's plenty of, and will produce nothing in terms of environmentally damaging exhausts (if I remember right it puts off helium, so Wonder may end up sterile). Truly amazing if they pull it off. Something like that is what I'm talking about -- something that could completely revolutionize the way we look at energy production and consumption. It would also create a huge mess, as the entire workd scrambles for the tech and oil-producers see demand for their product sink rather than go ever-higher...

[Crippler]

Found this:

Back To The Future Flux Capacitor Replica at TFAW.com

For only $250, you to can time travel at 88 mph.

**** E85.

[Elite Ronnie]

Originally Posted by ZoomZoom71

I'd like to know who has been preventing (and continues to prevent) the creation of new oil refineries and nuclear power plants, and lobbies against drilling for new oil, whether in AK or the Midwest or off the FL Gulf Coast? It may be one person, one group of persons, or one ideal of people. Seems like too many obstacles have been in place for way too long.

not my words so no one scorch me but this is what The National Center for Policy Analysis said to answer your question. Now you could probably watch MSNBC and get a different answer so I guess everyone can belive what they choose to believe.

The National Center for Policy Analysis also on Tuesday, identified the U.S. Congress as the responsible party for the high price of gasoline and summed it up in this manner: “Over the last 28 years, Democrats in Congress and a few Republicans have again and again opposed our drilling for oil in Alaska’s ANWR; during the past 31 years Congress has repeatedly prevented us from building any new oil refineries; most recently congressional Democrats defeated and discouraged any bill that would let us drill in the deep sea, 100 miles out.”

[Thornes70]

Well, I am starting to doubt corn feed rising due to biofuels; for one, grass is a better feed apparently, and readily available (this is a long read & I can't really verify the source, but I sure didn't know about it: LINKY).

[Elite Ronnie]

yeah most people dont feed in the summer months when the grass is growing. They just feed around here mostly in the winter along with hay to keep the herd strong and healthy. During the summer only calfs get feed to get em up and strong and growing. The quicker a calf is fat the quicker it goes to market and a lesser chance it dies and you loose the whole profit on it. Now this is small time farmers im talking about. Now there are some big farms or feed lots that feed year round. They buy tractor trailer loads of 200 pound calfs and give em all the feed they will eat till there 800 to 1000 pounds and sale them. {im sure you know cows sell by the pound is the reason.} Dont matter to me because I dont have any anyway but I know there having it a lil rough around here. I just eat them! Most of my family raises one a year to eat { They dont like buying meat that they dont know about, especialy after the reports on the news of them slaughtering half dead cows}. But with only one cow its not gonna break the bank.

[Quo]

Originally Posted by Thornes70

Well, I am starting to doubt corn feed rising due to biofuels; for one, grass is a better feed apparently, and readily available (this is a long read & I can't really verify the source, but I sure didn't know about it: LINKY).

Sure, grass is probably better. But it's also more expensive, and the same land yields far more feed in corn than it does in grass. In a perfect world, we'd still be raising cattle in large, lush fields of grass. That's not reality. Anything that raises the price of feed, raises the price of food. ALL food, not just beef. If you use farm product to make oil, you raise the price of food. Period.

[Thornes70]

Originally Posted by Elite Ronnie

not my words so no one scorch me but this is what The National Center for Policy Analysis said to answer your question. Now you could probably watch MSNBC and get a different answer so I guess everyone can belive what they choose to believe.

The National Center for Policy Analysis also on Tuesday, identified the U.S. Congress as the responsible party for the high price of gasoline and summed it up in this manner: “Over the last 28 years, Democrats in Congress and a few Republicans have again and again opposed our drilling for oil in Alaska’s ANWR; during the past 31 years Congress has repeatedly prevented us from building any new oil refineries; most recently congressional Democrats defeated and discouraged any bill that would let us drill in the deep sea, 100 miles out.”

I'm not jumping on you, Ronnie, but this whole thing is ABSOLUTELY, 100% FALSE, and can so easily be disproved that it is laughable that it has even been suggested (btw, the NCPA is a libertarian organization, and not a solid base of information as they are biased toward only the free-market ideology).

First off, congress has been under the control of RUPUBLICANS for about 12 years before the Dems got a slim majority. Even when that happened, the Republicans now have the highest amount of filibusters in the last year than in all of American history - so there's your reason nothing seems to be done... Third, Carter had implemented a solar energy plan that would've had the US 20% less reliant on foreign oil until Reagan came in & promptly shut it down. Fourth, there's the small issue of the as-yet-to-be-unclassified energy meetings that Cheney had, pre-Iraq invasion. The only Dem that I'd blame for anything throughout all of the 28 years is Clinton with NAFTA... Our dollar is so weak mainly because of this, as well as other reasons.

The simple fact is that the democratic party has not had the power or the opportunity to effect gas prices in the last 28 years. All of this is easily disproved by checking out the actual voting records and minutes of congress at Congress.org Home

[Elite Ronnie]

Im curious what the ratio is in america right now for people who want the oil drilled and those who dont. I was just check'n out this thread and have seem both sides just makes me wonder. They voted 3 or 4 weeks ago and it got rejected. I wonder how close it was. I do know McCain and oboma both voted against it. Im thinkn its gonna hurt McCain because most repubs voted for it and hlp obabma Cause most dems voted against it. I believe if 80% of americans wanted it they wouldnt have much choice. I mean they do work for us. Has any national poles been taken? We should take one here!

[Thornes70]

If McCain voted no, it'll only help him, not hurt him - BUT, he'd have to instantly have an alternative to offer up (Like let's get the Chinese and Saudi drilling the hell off our coasts). Remember, there's an awful lot of us Indys out there...

I say only help because there's enough of his ideals that conservative & moderat R's agree with to not let ANWR alone be a deciding factor for them. Just my opinion.

[Quo]

To get to the real truth, you'd have to go back and look at the actual bills rather than just the voting records. Bills are often filled with so much ridiculous pork that the original bill, while somewhat reasonable, gets voted down. Or there's one sticking point that holds everything up.

Again, they're all crooked, miserably awful "leaders". It's time to totally clean house.

This is a portion of why I find the Ron Paul thing amazing. I mean, think about it... He got about 10% of the Republican vote and he's weird as all get out. If the guy were even slightly more presentable, he would have really been a third party threat. The reason: A lot of people are totally ready for massive, fundamental change in our government.

I'm right there with them. (Not for Ron Paul, but for revolutionary change)

[Elite Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Thornes70

If McCain voted no, it'll only help him, not hurt him - BUT, he'd have to instantly have an alternative to offer up (Like let's get the Chinese and Saudi drilling the hell off our coasts). Remember, there's an awful lot of us Indys out there...

I say only help because there's enough of his ideals that conservative & moderat R's agree with to not let ANWR alone be a deciding factor for them. Just my opinion.

Isnt it international waters there drilling in? I dont know im really asking.

[Thornes70]

Originally Posted by Quo

To get to the real truth, you'd have to go back and look at the actual bills rather than just the voting records. Bills are often filled with so much ridiculous pork that the original bill, while somewhat reasonable, gets voted down. Or there's one sticking point that holds everything up.

Again, they're all crooked, miserably awful "leaders". It's time to totally clean house.

This is a portion of why I find the Ron Paul thing amazing. I mean, think about it... He got about 10% of the Republican vote and he's weird as all get out. If the guy were even slightly more presentable, he would have really been a third party threat. The reason: A lot of people are totally ready for massive, fundamental change in our government.

I'm right there with them. (Not for Ron Paul, but for revolutionary change)

True about looking at the bills themselves, but that's a heck of a lot of reading; easier to get a good idea by voting records, but that's just me... I agree with the cleaning house thing, though - skew 'em ALL!

It's more than just Ron Paul, tho - Obama was relatively unknown a few years ago. Look how much support the little funny big ears guy got for a while - craziness. I don't know about where you live, but even the LOCAL government here are getting all these new people in... People are just so sick of the constant b.s. back-N-forth, we forgot who we work for crap that has gone on forever...

You know where the change would seriously come from? Campaign Finance Reform. That's right, nobody gets no money from lobbyists.

[Elite Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Thornes70

I'm not jumping on you, Ronnie, but this whole thing is ABSOLUTELY, 100% FALSE, and can so easily be disproved that it is laughable that it has even been suggested (btw, the NCPA is a libertarian organization, and not a solid base of information as they are biased toward only the free-market ideology).

First off, congress has been under the control of RUPUBLICANS for about 12 years before the Dems got a slim majority. Even when that happened, the Republicans now have the highest amount of filibusters in the last year than in all of American history - so there's your reason nothing seems to be done... Third, Carter had implemented a solar energy plan that would've had the US 20% less reliant on foreign oil until Reagan came in & promptly shut it down. Fourth, there's the small issue of the as-yet-to-be-unclassified energy meetings that Cheney had, pre-Iraq invasion. The only Dem that I'd blame for anything throughout all of the 28 years is Clinton with NAFTA... Our dollar is so weak mainly because of this, as well as other reasons.

The simple fact is that the democratic party has not had the power or the opportunity to effect gas prices in the last 28 years. All of this is easily disproved by checking out the actual voting records and minutes of congress at Congress.org Home

As I said before it all depends on what news you choose to believe. The left will say what you said which is truth, the right will say In 1995, Congress authorized oil drilling in the coastal plain – but President Bill Clinton vetoed it which is also truth. There are a thousand arguments on both sides. MY personal thought is... and I feel its a very reolistic one is..... Were gonna have all the alternative forms of energy someday, but we have had gas trucks and cars for 70 years or more and its gonna take a while to get completly turned around. It will be a slow process so in the mean time more oil will bring prices down till we can get off it. Kinda like nicoret gum, haha. I know you dont agree but thats what makes america great we can think what we want and not get shot for it.

[Elite Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Quo

To get to the real truth, you'd have to go back and look at the actual bills rather than just the voting records. Bills are often filled with so much ridiculous pork that the original bill, while somewhat reasonable, gets voted down. Or there's one sticking point that holds everything up.

Again, they're all crooked, miserably awful "leaders". It's time to totally clean house.

This is a portion of why I find the Ron Paul thing amazing. I mean, think about it... He got about 10% of the Republican vote and he's weird as all get out. If the guy were even slightly more presentable, he would have really been a third party threat. The reason: A lot of people are totally ready for massive, fundamental change in our government.

I'm right there with them. (Not for Ron Paul, but for revolutionary change)

Yup your right. They vote yea for bills that they know has stuff they dont like but there would probably be no bills passed other wise. I asume its give and take. Could you imagine how low tax rates would be without all the pork that gets added! Its hard to believe that will ever change. McCain says he will veto every bill that has pork in it, now we all know that is a lie. Nothing would ever get done. Sad but true. I have no clue how he keeps gettn elected. Ok lets be honest the way people get votes is they basicly buy them by gettn a new road or convention center or various other thing built for the folks you represent now those road and stuff is what is called "pork". Dems and Repubs all do it. Its just how it works so how has he not gottn any $ for his people and gets elected. I'd probably be pissed if he was my senitor. I mean arizona pays all the taxes everyone else does and gets nothing back through him while all the spoils go to the other states.

[MadBryan]

Originally Posted by Elite Ronnie

As I said before it all depends on what news you choose to believe.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Dems have something to do with the high gas prices. Makes everyone think its the Reps fault.