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Old 11-22-2006, 07:36 AM   #1 (permalink)
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School shoot-out spurs debate on violent PC games

A long-simmering debate in Germany about banning violent computer games is burning again after an aloof teenager on Monday stormed his former high school, shot five people and later killed himself.

The disgruntled 18-year ex-pupil from Emsdetten, Germany, near the Dutch border, was described by students and teachers as a youth with no friends who liked guns and played violent computer shooting games.

The incident brought back memories of a shooting rampage in the eastern German city of Erfurt in 2002 when an alienated former pupil -- and computer games player -- shot 16 people, mostly teachers, and later himself.

It has also rekindled the simmering debate in Germany on whether violent computer games should be banned.

"The government is currently reviewing whether the current legislation for protecting minors needs to be revised and plans to announce its finding by the end of 2007," said a spokesman for the Federal Ministry of Family Affairs, Senior Citizens, Women and Youth. "The Emsdetten shootings will likely impact these discussions."

Family Affairs Minister Ursula von der Leyen addressed the German parliament earlier on Tuesday and has been holding talks with policy makers throughout the day, the ministry spokesman said.

The minister is expected to make a public announcement later in the evening.

Numerous politicians have expressed outrage over the school shootings and continued access to violent PC games.

Brandenburg state Interior Minister J�rg Sch�nbohm said in an interview with the German media that "killer games" encourage violent behavior and are contributing to an escalating rate of brutality among young people. The minister called the current practice of voluntary regulation by game publishers and distributors inadequate.

Lower Saxony Interior Minister Uwe Sch�nemann called for a ban on the distribution and development of violent computer games in Germany.

Dieter Wiefelsp�tz, a member of the Social Democratic Party (SPD) and an expert on family policy, conceded that not everyone who plays such games "automatically becomes a mass murderer" but, like the ministers, also called for a ban on "killer games."

Wiefelsp�tz isn't alone in the SPD. A majority of members in his party have been lobbying for months for major changes in federal laws aimed at protecting minors, including an outright ban on violent computer games. And the opposition parties Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and Christian Social Union (CSU) agree that changes are necessary to the current laws governing entertainment software.

But members of the Green Party warned of putting all the blame on computer games. Volker Beck, a parliamentarian member of the Green Party, said young people need to acquire media competence and learn how to use computers, including PC games, in a sensible way.

Following the shoot-out in Erfurt, the German government revised its legislation on protecting minors, requiring, for instance, that all computer games and video movies be subject to a mandatory age-rating plan.

Some legislators are also calling on ISPs (Internet service providers) to take a more active role in controlling the information provided over their systems.

The Emsdetten teenager who killed himself used the Internet not only to inform a chat group of his shoot-out plans but also to purchase weapons, including guns and bombs, through a German weapons portal.

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Old 11-22-2006, 07:52 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I really don't like these articles. People just want a scape-goat to put the blame on or divert the blame onto someone/something else. This german kid was probably another example of bad parenting, not violent game playing. Of course it certainly doesn't help the imagination to see and play such games, but, at the same time... is it "The cause" for teenage violence?! C'mon, be realistic.

Similar situation with fast food restaurants. When parents are blaming the fast food restaurant for making their child fat, who's really to blame? The parent, of course! For taking their child to those said fast food restaurants!

So, back to the violence, the parents are more responsible than the games! And if they wanted to blame games, why don't they go ahead and blame movies? Some of the movies I've seen are far worse than a lot of the games I've played!
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Old 11-22-2006, 07:54 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 11-22-2006, 07:59 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 11-22-2006, 09:05 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I agree with you Jon, however I'm wondering if this is playing into the recent issues with games being able to even get a rating in Germany. My concern is this illogical thinking will spread.

I however would like to have game stores card people that buy games. I was carded once for Doom 3 which cracked me up at a Best Buy even... I would like this to become law... Then it can be completely blamed on the parents for buying the game and allowing there kids to play it...

I will also say I would like to see more constructive parent education on the pros and cons of gaming.

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Old 11-22-2006, 09:24 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I agree that carding would be a good thing to do. I remember when I went to pick up my copy of Gears, a kid excitedly ran through the store with his mom yelling gears of war over and over. This kid must not have been more than like 10 or 11.

Gears is not something I would want my kid playing.... that's just dumb or neglect on the parents part.
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Old 11-22-2006, 10:17 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I did a paper recently on violent video games and their effect on children, and I basically share the same thoughts you guys do. Bottom line, it's the parents that are to blame for their childs behavior, not some video game.

I think many people look by movies because they are passive, meaning there is no physical interaction between you and what's happening on screen. While it may seem logical to do that, our brain still processes information the same way regardless if we are interacting with something. Watching a violent movie like Goodfellas or Scarface should be on the same line as playing Gears of War.

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Old 11-22-2006, 10:29 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I did a paper recently on violent video games and their effect on children, and I basically share the same thoughts you guys do. Bottom line, it's the parents that are to blame for their childs behavior, not some video game.

I think many people look by movies because they are passive, meaning there is no physical interaction between you and what's happening on screen. While it may seem logical to do that, our brain still processes information the same way regardless if we are interacting with something. Watching a violent movie like Goodfellas or Scarface should be on the same line as playing Gears of War.

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Old 11-22-2006, 12:59 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I don't agree that passive and interactive entertainment have the same effect on the audience. When you are immersed in a story, controlling the action and making decisions, there is something else going on. The main problem is that our society, and parents in general don't know how to prepare their children for the information & experience overload that today's world offers. If kids are grounded in reality, with a sense of responsibility and propriety there is less of a chance that they will act out in these unreasonable ways. When they are taught to constructively use their minds to filter out what is harmful and embrace the creativity in these games, they will be more successful human beings. The fault is ours, not the makers of content.
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I really think that movies like Hostel, Saw I - III, Ichi the Killer, all have major effects. Whether or not we really think so, subconsciously they are effecting us. Most of us, it just desensitize us, but some people it actually triggers "ideas" or "behaviors" of violence.
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Old 11-22-2006, 01:27 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Saw and what not are purely sadistic .... yet strangely entertaining
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IMHO bad parenting.
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Old 11-22-2006, 03:02 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Wow. I guess I should have worded things differently. The point I was trying to make was not the outcome or effect of a certain material, but rather that our brain looks at all visual information the same way. Personality and behavioral traits come into play when we begin to interact with something, thus evoking emotion and/or feelings towards the given material. I was basically trying to state that our brain processes the information, but it's up to an individual's personality and morals to determine the emotional outcome.

If a child is raised under skewed mor