HD DVD this week

[MadBryan]

Sorry for not posting till now. I know you girls are itching to jump on my responce I'm over here in Greensburg Ind at the new Honda plant they are building installing a couple 50 ton crane systems in the stamping department. anywho, yep this is bad news for my favorite format. No doubt about it. Just like Paramounts decision was for you blewboys A couple of things you gals keep bringing I'd like to point out.....
#1-This whole 2 to 1 crap. We all know the BOGO sales are counted as sales but how long can this go on?
#2-I have never seen any proof of payment to Paramount. Sony's PR team has been guilty of far was rumours so why bring it up and who's to say Warner wasn't paid (blockbuster was)
#3-This decision by Warner will kill HD Media in its disc form. People are not going to make the investment in BluRay, they will wait for "whats next" They were starting to bite on the $99 and $129 HD-DVD players...........................
Some of you guys fail to see how poorly bluray has done. The number of PS3's sold should have been a overwhelming win for bluray, but it has not been. 2 to 1 with all the freebies. Its laughable. (I hope I didn't disapoint)

[Jon Liu]

I definitely agree that a lot of the "proof" such as the 2 to 1 stuff is hearsay. But, remember, both sides have done sale after sale and BOGO deal after BOGO deal. It'll be interesting to see whether or not this decision indeed will kill HD Media. I sure hope not, because I am not ready for VoD.

I don't think Blu-ray has done poorly, though. It varies from place to place, but every time I am in the High Definition Media sections of various stores, I almost always see people buying Blu-ray movies. On rare occasion I will see HD-DVD purchasers and even on some of those occasions, they are holding both HD-DVD and Blu-ray cases.

Now, like I said, this kind of situation may vary immensely when compared to other cities, states, etc. But, again, I don't see this as "doing poorly".

[BiffCo]

Originally Posted by MadBryan

Sorry for not posting till now. I know you girls are itching to jump on my responce I'm over here in Greensburg Ind at the new Honda plant they are building installing a couple 50 ton crane systems in the stamping department. anywho, yep this is bad news for my favorite format. No doubt about it. Just like Paramounts decision was for you blewboys A couple of things you gals keep bringing I'd like to point out.....
#1-This whole 2 to 1 crap. We all know the BOGO sales are counted as sales but how long can this go on?
#2-I have never seen any proof of payment to Paramount. Sony's PR team has been guilty of far was rumours so why bring it up and who's to say Warner wasn't paid (blockbuster was)
#3-This decision by Warner will kill HD Media in its disc form. People are not going to make the investment in BluRay, they will wait for "whats next" They were starting to bite on the $99 and $129 HD-DVD players...........................
Some of you guys fail to see how poorly bluray has done. The number of PS3's sold should have CRUSHING defeat for bluray but it has not been. 2 to 1 with all the freebies. Its laughable. (I hope I didn't disapoint)

You're just nutty, that's why we enjoy your responses.

Honestly, you do prove a good point on a number of things. Fact is, no one has definitive answers and a lot of what is said here about Bluray/HD is no more hearsay than anything else. I try not to limit myself to just one format though, and it still feels good being a dual supporter. I may sell my HD-A1 or give it to a friend, but I'll still keep my add-on and movies. They'll work until my 360 dies one day.

People are saying something around the net that is completely true: if HD-DVD is really done, then Sony is really going to have to step up their game and try and defeat their biggest enemy: DVD. We can sit here and quote 2:1 sales which are speculative at best, but I doubt anyone here will argue that DVD outsells HDM by a far greater number. There is still a lot of work to be done if any type of HDM, regardless of format, wants to compete with the standard DVD market.

No one knows exactly what the future will bring for HD media in general. People keep preaching the download route, but I personally don't want to see that happen. Hell, that still has a lot of catching up to do as well. Physical media is going to be around for a long time before download content takes over. A lot of people are still using antenna's to get their local stations.

I still think it's an exciting time for anyone into HD. However, I still don't get a lot of the purists over at AVS. People just need to lighten up. A hobby is supposed to be fun, right?

Blewboys? C'mon... That's no worse than HD-DUD.

-Brad

[GoatMother]

I'm all for payments, IMO it was a great and much needed move by Toshiba. Granted I wish the BDA had done it instead. I kind of wish there was proof that Warner was paid by the BDA. Bottom line is Warner did side with the larger majority of early adopters where as Paramount side with the minority. Warner going Red would have split things pretty evenly IMO, going blu IMO should bring an end to this war much faster if no other crazy deals are made. With MS and Toshiba involved anything can happen.

I believe blu-ray has always had a better chance of making it mainstream but I'd stick with either format that survives. Blu-ray and even HD DVD are both much better than DVD and Live downloads.


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Paramount Was Paid for HD DVD Support, Toshiba Executive Says

BERLIN -- Toshiba promised Paramount and DreamWorks
Animation "some money" to cover costs "to jointly promote" their titles, in a deal for the studios to support HD DVD and not Blu-ray (CED Aug 21 p1), Toshiba's top HD DVD executive told Consumer Electronics Daily at IFA Friday. But reports that Toshiba paid the studios $150 million for their support are "totally wrong," Yoshihide Fujii, CEO of Toshiba's Digital Network Co., said without elaborating.

A studio would be "stupid" to accept money to back "the wrong product," Fujii said. "Sooner or later," Paramount and DreamWorks Animation would realize HD DVD "is the wrong product," if that was so, and if the endorsements were based only on payments, he said. "Only because they feel this is the right product" did Paramount and DreamWorks Animation agree to back HD DVD exclusively, Fujii said. "This is a fact," he declared.

[BiffCo]

Thanks for finding that article, Goat. I couldn't/didn't search for it.

I agree about Bluray/HD-DVD being better than DVD and Live downloads, but unfortunately for the misinformed consumer, they don't know the difference. I know people that think that upconverting DVDs gives them the movie in real HD. Imagine their surprise when they find out that the dude at Best Buy knows absolutely nothing.

-Brad

[GoatMother]

And Best Buy is the #1 seller of HDM

[MadBryan]

Originally Posted by Jon Liu

remember, both sides have done sale after sale and BOGO deal after BOGO deal.

No comparison! A blu sale could be found at some location since the begining.

[BiffCo]

Originally Posted by MadBryan

No comparison! A blu sale could be found at some location since the beginning.

Huh? At some location? I'd like to see proof of that, please.

-Brad

[MadBryan]

[Jon Liu]

I'm interested in that movie, but I am also not. Close friends of mine said that I would absolutely hate it.

[Peench]

Hey Jon - what's w/ your sig photos?

[BiffCo]

Jon, I wouldn't recommend Beowulf. I saw it at the local theater in 3-D, and while the 3-D aspect was awesome, the movie was worse than Santa Claus Conquers The Martians (yes, a real movie). It's a rental at best.

-Brad

[dmiller68]

Originally Posted by Big Brad

Jon, I wouldn't recommend Beowulf. I saw it at the local theater in 3-D, and while the 3-D aspect was awesome, the movie was worse than Santa Claus Conquers The Martians (yes, a real movie). It's a rental at best.

-Brad

Wow that's too bad I was wanting to see this one.

[Jon Liu]

I don't see anything wrong with my sig photos..

Good to know, Brad. That reassures me of what I suspected.

[Peench]

Jon - There was an error for the three mini bar things. It said "imageshack has banned this ... something or other" and they didn't show up.

[Jon Liu]

That's very weird. Imageshack, huh? That's odd, considering that none of my bars come from imageshack.

[Peench]

I guess I shoulda screencapped it - glad to see they are working now!